peterpiper wrote:daicehawk wrote:Sorry could not find any threads covering this topic so I am starting this.
The thing is: most MPCs have a 96 PPQ (pulse per quarter note) resolution, which gives 24 pulses for the "swing range" for a 8th note (as the "swing range" is half-note long). But we have 25 values (given 50% is NOswing) in the TC window hence either some one value of 25 swing values is redundant or the swing values from TC window are somehow converted into pulses?
Moreover, when we take 16ths, then 12 pulses are left for swing. Still we have the same 50 - 75 % range in the TC window.
Would love to get some first-hand info on this.
Hey, Mr. Linn, please chime in!
Hey, interesting thought. I will try some things to get to know what really happen. .............ok I couldn't wait till evening so I just tried it 
1/16 settings on swing (every second 16th will be shifted):
reference time is 001.01.24
50% = 001.01.24 (wow surprize 
)
51% = 001.01.24
52% = 001.01.24
53% = 25
54% = 25
55% = 26
56% = 26
57% = 27
58% = 27
59% = 28
60% = 28
61% = 29
62% = 29
63% = 30
64% = 30
65% = 31
66% = 31
67% = 32
68% = 32
69% = 33
70% = 33
71% = 34
72% = 34
73% = 35
74% = 35
75% = 36
but I could have told you before that "never trust any numbers in (AKAI) gear". Oh that remind me on my "project" to post the correct frequencies of the EB16 filter (midband). They display the same numbers but the frequencies are completely different 
Dont know what the enineers at AKAI smoked when they did that.
peace
thanks
peterpiper, that actually shows that the values get truncated. I think that test with 8ths will show an earlier swing kick-in in terms of pulse shift starting from like 52% since a 8th note has more pulses to displace those 51-75% values.
BTW what`s your model? seems to be a 2k judging by your signature pics
when I come home I`ll do the same with my 3k and will post it here so no one fukks no more with "MPC groove template" since the whole idea is just moving even notes later. all inconsistencies on odd notes present in the templates floating in the "internets" lol are just due to the MIDI capture errors (MIDI jitter during MIDI data transfer, or errors occuring while recording unsynced audio from the MPC and the chopping it in the DAW to get the groove template, which results in a inaccurate position of all notes in the template because when two midi devices are not synced, the real tempo despite the same numbers set in the MPC and capturing\chopping DAW will be not 100% identical. It must not be a problem triggering internal sound generators in a DAW by its sequencer - FL Studio has LESS midi jitter triggering its internal sampler,
but... the situation might change drastically as soon as a DAW triggers\or captures from an external MIDI devices. I have seen some threads by some pro audio engineers talikng about using specific models of MIDI interfaces practically approved to work with a particular DAW to get proper MIDI timing.
So, what timing errors you can have when making a template off unsynced audio recording?
MPC jitter (more on newer models I think, 2k I owned and measured had seldom (1 for 2 bars) over 1 msec jitter @120 BPM on just ONE track (God knows what will happen with several track playing at the same time), MPC 3000 has less than 0,05 msec on one track @ 93 BPM. FL Studio had on my Lenovo Y550 zero jitter triggering internal samplers. Ok, I do not mind some MPC 3k jitter, but gimme Note Repeat, Pressure To Velocity and proper MIDI port/channel Input/output in FL Studio!
