Better Swing - Swing Gallop Fix

If you've used other sequencers besides the 1k, even any of the older MPC's you probably would have noticed that the swing feature is a lot better and a lot more useful on them.

Have you noticed that if you put the swing say above 60% and use note repeat on hi hats it sounds like a horses gallop? I don't know about the rest of ya'll but I find that horses gallop VERY annoying. It makes Note Repeat and Swing not very useful at all to me. I only see it useful if your doing horse sound effects for a western. The other MPC's DO NOT have that gallop. Their swing is a lot better and a lot more useful.

If JJ could improve the swing on the 1k to be like the older MPC's I would be very happy, cause the swing on the 1k is fukked....regardless if all of us can work around it to make beats without timing issues. I'd like to see this improved vastly.

man swing isn't an effect it just puts a note a different tick. i don't understand how there's anythign to fix, esp since i've been using it myself for a while and haven't noticed a problem.

please post audio examples to proove your point.

or better check midi made with an 2000xl and see timing click notes...

i'm curious cause i hear something about...
we would like to know the SWING truth!

Antonym wrote:???

man swing isn't an effect it just puts a note a different tick. i don't understand how there's anythign to fix, esp since i've been using it myself for a while and haven't noticed a problem.

Take some hi hat samples...go to a friends house or a GC or something and load the samples in a different model MPC. Make a hi hat pattern using note repeat on different settings....you won't hear that gallop sound.

Of course Nym it isn't an effect. The swing on the 1k isn't programmed to move the notes in good way at the least. There is a difference between swing and gallop. THe other MPC's had it right. Not sure why Akai made the swing on the 1k so wack.

Nym, have you used any other model of MPC before or used swing on any other sequencer than the 1k? I think you are just used to how its been. I definitley think it's something that can and should be improved on the 1k.

Be so nice and put a little xample together, since it's easier for us to check it out and find someone who's got an 2kxl... this would you take like 5 minutes.

ThANks in Advane

I'm pretty certain this isn't the case. Swing timing on sequencers has a pretty well defined standard interpretation. Looking at the MIDI pattern recorded on the 1K and a different model, I would expect them to be the same.

if it's simply a case of the 1000 swing being too much, then adjust accordingly. it sounds like the older models just don't apply as much swing at the maximum setting, because logically there's no way that a note swung to at .58 on the 1000 sounds less good than that of older models unless the very tick display itself is lying to us.

i've worked on 2000s at GC and a 4000 once in NY, but maybe i didn't work long enough to hear a difference.

my bet is that the max swing for the other models is simply not as forceful as the newer ones. answer? don't go so far.

ONE is right, the swing on the 1k is one of the worst sounding I have worked with. You can get around it by shift timing and not quantitizing but I really wish they could make it more realistic sounding so I would actually use it. If the 1k is all you have used though I can see why you wouldn't think anything is wrong.

you all fail to explain what the difference is completely. it's very hard to take "it's just different" seriously - please try harder to explain what the difference is, why you can't use different increments, etc etc

ie, if you were to compose something on the 2000xl and then take it to the 1000, why would you have a different sounding swing if both notes are on the same tick

I think the only thing that could sort this one out is an experiment.

I'd suggest a 1K owner sequencing one measure of a single instrument, let's say at 1/16 note with a set of various swing settings for example: 50% (off), 60%, 70% and 80% (unless the max is 75, can't quite recall off the top of my head), and then lists here the M:B:T readings for the 16 notes recorded at each of the swing settings. Then someone with a 2K should do the same. I'd do the 1K version, but I'm at work...

well guys i went to akai for the swing...
i used to emulate akai swing from sequencer like digital performer and pro tools (that had it as a swing preset)

my idea is this: (take a 16hihat example)

swing basically get a sort of delay on note 2 and 4 and follow (6-8-10-12-14-16)

what i think is that old akai have a better fine regulation.. i mean what is 58% delay on a 1k is around a 62 or more delay on 2k

the fact is easy... we need a 2k owner that put a 16th note hi hat midi with swing at a certain %... then we could analyze it and see the difference with a same swing in 1k

shoot, fact is i think the jj needs to get rid of this goofy akai percentage bullessht and just make it a different type of shift timing, instead. as used to the percentages as i am, i'd rather just be able to say yeah i want it at x ticks + or - .48, etc, as it stands this whole percent thing is totally unnecessary

Ok, here. I made a hi hat pattern using note repeat on the 1k with 3 different settings: 57%, 60%, and 65%. The gallop starts at around 57% that why I chose that setting. Now compare this swing in terms of SOUND to any sequencer (even FL, Reason, keyboard sequencers), and I ask...does it sound good? Does it sound "natural"? Does it give a more "humanized" feel, or does it sound like a horses gallop? Anyways here's the .rar file with 3 very small mp3's:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2pqhj1

I think it's also very odd how some of you completely assume that the 1k's shift timing and sequencer is programmed exactly like the other MPC's. Can you provide any evidence of that? Why are you so sure it is the same? It clearly is not the same judging from the sound. And honestly listening to those hi hat patterns it doesn't sound good or useful, unless you want to make a beat with a gallop.